I agree that grown men should wear a dastaar, but Hoodini is right. You want to get your point across by embarrassing or shaming an individual for wearing a patka instead of a dastaar? Definitely not the practical or mature approach to this at all. You’re turning the dastaar and patka into a fashion statement and losing the true meaning behind it. If someone is more comfortable wearing a patka, why do you care? Patkas need to be equally recognized with the Sikh appearance because it is the young children who face the most harassment day to day in schools by their peers. Why not create a blog with pictures of Sikh kids wearing patkas proudly to boost their self image and prevent more kids from cutting their hair? Your approach to this matter is both ignorant and small minded. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I’m staying anonymous because I think I speak for more than just myself in regards to this inane blog.
Totally agree. If your objective is to stop people from wearing a patka you are going about it the wrong way. This is really destructive and is a form of cyber bullying. What gives you the rights to post pictures of them? Truly tasteless. If you are a true sikh, you should be embarrassed with putting others down in this fashion. I also find it funny that there is no contact information nor a name of a person running this site. Why hide behind a computer?
Non-Sikh independent sorcues on Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale:Arun Shourie of The Indian Express:”For all I know, he [Bhindranwale] is completely innocent and is genuinely and exclusively dedicated to the teachings of the Gurus. Source: Arun Shourie, The consequences of pandering , The Indian Express, May 13, 1982.In December 1983, a senior officer in Chandigarh confessed: It’s really shocking that we have so little against him [Bhindranwale] while we keep blaming him for all sorts of things. Source: India Today, 31 December 1983, page 36.Joyce Pettigrew, Irish Anthropologist from Belfast University:”The sacrifice of Bhindranwale’s life and that of his followers drew attention to the fact that Sikhs live by a model of society opposed to that for which India stood. They were slaughtered in defense of their conception of what society should be.”Source: Quoted in Singh, Gurharpal, Ethnic Conflict in India: A Case-Study of Punjab, New York: St. Martin’s Press, Inc., 2000, p. 114.Vir Sanghvi, now writer for Hindustan Times and TV presenter:”Whatever Bhindranwale’s involvement, the government had no concrete evidence and the ministry thought it inadvisable to arrest him on a flimsy case only to have him acquitted and transformed into a hero.”Source: Imprint, 1986
I agree with the above comment and that adults should wear the turban however I would not preach against people who wear the patka either. Whoever created this website, needs to look at the issue with a broader mindset.. at least these people have kept their hair!!!
I strongly agree with realist. Please STOP this.
We should encourage those have taken the path of keeping their Kesh. It’s not an easy one. Faced with constant struggles, bullying, and terrorist accusations, it is difficult. Let us become a community where we find solace in our Sangat, where we encourage & inspire our brothers & sisters. We are one Panth. If we don’t stand up for each other, no one else will.
In Chardi Kala,
Sat Sri AkalI welcome efrfots by Sikhs and their supporters to preserve the Sikh faith and to ensure Sikhs receive justice.I suggest that Sikhs who have influence, use that influence to ensure that Sikh history and concerns are truthfully and fairly reported in the media, and where they are not, to try to have it corrected. If Sikhs allow misrepresentation of their history and their culture, then soon it will be treated as the truth and it will damage Sikhs’ standing and credibility in the community. Manipulation of the truth and history has been tried in relation to the Jewish holocaust perpetrated by Nazis. The same manipulation must be rigorously defended by Sikhs whenever it appears in the media, whether by ignorance of the truth or by design.I urge Sikh societies, groups and Sikhs as individuals, to speak up and report instances of misrepresentation and discrimination against Sikhs, and to try to correct such misrepresentation. I see the SCUK has a media & communications committee. This is welcome and I hope they take my suggestion on board. Sat sri akalPermjit Singh
Key point: At least people have kept their kesh!
Easy to point fingers at our brothers wearing patke when only those who live with brothers wearing patke know their struggles. In a society so concerned with physical beauty anything abnormal is a target for bullying. Shame on us to discriminate within our own community, how can we prosper without acceptance? We are bully’s to our own Sikh brothers.
Anything that works towards the unity in Sikhs is a good nitoon.Setting up of another committee to achieve certain objectives and overcome Sikh issues will only work if the entire Sikh community supports and participates fully and that can only come from unity, which in turn inspires the mass and raise their aspirations. Then we don’t have to worry about half the issues such as why youngsters are disengaged etc. The momentum will overtake and overcome these issues. Before we get to that stage there are certain things that need to be in place or at least need to be recognised. First of all we must recognise that the unity, the important force does not happen by itself. Unity as a force is not an entity in itself, in fact it is a by product of equality. I think we Sikhs have been blinded to the fact for long time that without equality there is no unity. It is no good talking about equality or pretends to have one, as we all know how rest of the world look at us with disbelieve when we mention the word equality. The inspiration for equality comes from the Gurbani and the Amritpan of 1699 when five Sikhs were beheaded and then resurrected to create a new beginning without any baggage what so ever. Guru Govind Singh Ji could not be pleased with us to see Brotherhood of Khalsa is still divided into higher and lower castes. Some well known people in the media are falsely peddling the myths that Guru Ji did not intend to break castes, they call it a Bhaichara. Ok if you are bent on keeping the Bhaicharas, basically Castes then every bhaichara or Caste wants to have an equal representation in the committee regardless of their numbers. And like the EU countries, every Caste or bhaichara has to have Presidency in turn for a limited period.Just to make things simpler why not just start knocking down the boundaries of caste segregation one by one to create just One Sikh and only One Sikh – GurSikh. Remember, the humility and the equality is the two fundamental aspects of any decent human being. If you can begin to dismantle the cancerous caste system which has its roots in the Hinduism then on that prognosis you can count me in.Kind RegardsJagjeet Singh
I am not sure what the motivation for this website was. However, the Sikh community is very passive in addressing issues that affect us internally on a Panthic level. No one wants to be the bad guy that says cutting hair is against Sikhi beliefs or the true Sikh identity is a dastaar. We as a community passively accepted that cutting hair is acceptable so it wouldn’t surprise me that we are slowly moving to decreasing the importance of the dastaar so we can appease the majority of our community. While the method this website is using is not ethical, the underlying issue represented in this website can’t be overlooked.
i think the issue is that we preach acceptance, yet we fail to accept the fact that the degree of faith that an individual chooses to keep is up to them. i wear a pagh, when i’m feeling lazy or depending on what activity i’m partaking in, i wear a patka. a picture of me could show up on this hate blog and would be an utterly inaccurate representation.
i believe that the biggest downfall of this faith is the identity itself. unfortunately, it overshadows the logic and practicality of the this faith’s principles.
Sikhi is all about tolerance and acceptance. Our Gurus lived it. However, they never compromised their basic beliefs. They accepted people, even thiefs like Sajan Dhug. Yet the truth never changed. Just cause someone cuts their hair doesn’t mean they are a bad person. However they aren’t Sikh. Just like the basic requirement to be a Christian is to believe in Christ, Sikhi has basic principles that need to be followed as well. We are picking and choosing whatever we want to believe in terms of Sikhism. I think this has resulted in our community moving from being Sikhs to just being spiritual.
way to contribute to the disunity that already exists within this faith. disgusting.
it saddens me that some who follow our faith would be so void of compassion and empathy as to outwardly mock the choices of those who don’t conform to their own standards… pretty much echoing the struggle faced by thousands of Sikh men, in being passively or subconsciously pressured into conforming to the outward appearance of everyone else… the fact that these men have kept the most outwardly apparent evidence of their faith i.e the uncut kesh, should be celebrated, not mocked… maybe those who run this website might wish to post pictures of themselves, so they can be open to ridicule for any of their perceived physical “imperfections”, purely in the interest of fairness… but then again there may be other more appropriate objections to posting pictures of minuscule genitalia on the internet… 😉
Excellent. “Patkaspotting.com” is what Sikhs have been reduced to – anonymous cyber-bullies of (mostly) Keshadhari Sikhs. How witty of you to publicly humiliate your brothers in order to shame them into wearing paghs. May the Sikhs the world over award you for your kindness, compassion, humility, and seva for the Panth.
Let’s be real: you probably think your site serves some sort of humorous purpose; it does not. It only confirms the decline of virtue that surrounds us. We are absorbed within the sea of egoism from which we jump out in delusion to proclaim that we are so called “Sikhs” – or better yet, that we are Sikhs who are “helping out” other Sikhs.
Do yourself a favor and kindly take down your site if you have any love for humanity.
Before insulting oherts and tarnishing oherts name….we need to look at OUR OWN JEEVAN….!!!!…..do we do as much Paat as Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale did? …..Do we even do a fraction of what He use to do?….have we gotten to the point in which we are ready to giv our Sees (head) to Akal Purakh Vaahiguro by becoming Shaheed protecting the House Of God (Akaal Takht Sahib)….Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale brought many many people into Sikhi…….hu are we to accuse Sant Ji of such horrific doings….Mai Moorakh Agiaan Aveechaaree…Bul Chuk Maaf Karneevaahiguroo jee kaa khalsa vaahiguroo jee kee fateh Jee
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